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Feminism and Christianity.

Posted by Philomela on April 3, 2008

But Mary stood weeping outside the tomb. As she wept, she bent over to look* into the tomb; and she saw two angels in white, sitting where the body of Jesus had been lying, one at the head and the other at the feet. They said to her, ‘Woman, why are you weeping?’ She said to them, ‘They have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid him.’ When she had said this, she turned round and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her, ‘Woman, why are you weeping? For whom are you looking?’ Supposing him to be the gardener, she said to him, ‘Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.’ Jesus said to her, ‘Mary!’ She turned and said to him in Hebrew, ‘Rabbouni!’ (which means Teacher)..

I went to church on easter sunday for the first time in a long time and the above pasage was part of the reading and the part I bolded really spoke to me. firstly the “Woman why are you weeping” really speaks to me. it feels not like an acusation but a comfort, a permission to greive.

The christianity I grew up in was savage the jesus in it was unregognisable from the jesus I belive in. the jesus of the gospels was a compasionate, thoughtfull, social activist who was always supporting and rooting for the opressesd and when I am thinking about that or reading mainstream christian literature that is at odds with that I often feel

They have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid him

What did they do with the man who loved women, tax colectors, protitutes, the disabled, the poor? they westernised him, sanitised him turned him into a middle class, mysognistic conservative. I do not know where they have laid him, he will never be where they say he is.

I want the real deal, I want the jesus who spoke truth to power. I want the jesus who gave a shit about hurting people, I want the jesus who came to teach us how to love.

And once again I find myself crossing boundaries, weaving together my feminism and my Christianity despite criticism and rejection from both sides. Christians are often opposed to feminism because they buy into the idea that women are there to serve men, they read the bible uncritically, it doesn’t occur to them that maybe Paul was wrong, they don’t know christian history and that actually women have been a really important part of the church forever not just as supporting characters but as priests theologians and mystics.

and mainstream feminism is very anti religion (except maybe for certain types of paganism) it tells me that all religious people are misogynistic, are anti women, and its true many are, but so are many doctors, and lawyers, and socialists and journalists. it doesnt take into account that actually most women in the world have some sort of religious affiliation, it doesn’t take into account that religion can be a liberating force, supporting and comforting feminists when they are working at the sharp end, it doesn’t take into account that people are messy and beautiful and the need for god(esses) comes from the same place as sexuality/sensuality and creativity,
Both sides tell lies and uphold stereotypes about each other often without ever having had a dialogue with those on the other “side”

I know sticking true to myself, to my principles, to my belief that both my progressive Christianity and my radical feminism are intrinsic essential parts of myself will be exhausting because of the misunderstanding and hostility I will receive from both Christians and feminists,

9 Responses to “Feminism and Christianity.”

  1. belledame222 Says:

    seems like you can take pretty much any good idea (”say, let’s all be nice to each other” ;) and twist it into something that’s exactly the opposite of what it once was. that goes for the message of the Gospels and it also goes for feminism. among many other things.

    i also think fundamentalism is as valid a concept when applied to various secular “isms” as anything else. it’s just that historically it can be more dangerous in religion because the ultimate appeal to authority is a supernatural Being. frankly, though, you don’t need it: witness, say, Maoism, Stalinism.

    and yeah, I’m more and more inclined to point to certain strains within feminism as “fundamentalist.”

    there’s an intriguing looking book out, which I came within a hair of buying the other day before deciding i really have enough books i haven’t read yet. but i think it was called “The Fundamentalist Mind,” something of that sort. interesting stuff.

    also related: the work Robert Jay Lifton has done on cults and cult mentality (”authoritarian” if “cult” is too loaded or too extreme to be applicable. or, “totalism”). ultimately it’s not about the doctrine, it’s about certain core characteristics:

    http://www.rickross.com/reference/esp/esp11.html

    btw, Purtek’s great. per Christian feminists, you might also check Lynn Gazis-Sax and Seraph:

    http://notfrisco2.com/leones/index.php

    http://seraphicfeathers.blogspot.com/

  2. purtek Says:

    What did they do with the man who loved women, tax colectors, protitutes, the disabled, the poor? they westernised him, sanitised him turned him into a middle class, mysognistic conservative. I do not know where they have laid him, he will never be where they say he is.

    So nicely put.

    I’ve written a few times on the intersection of my feminism and my Christianity, but this one, from way back when I first started this latest blog, is probably the most relevent:

    <a href = “http://purtek.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/on-being-a-christian-feminist/” On Being a Christian Feminist

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  4. Philomela Says:

    seems like you can take pretty much any good idea (”say, let’s all be nice to each other”) and twist it into something that’s exactly the opposite of what it once was. that goes for the message of the Gospels and it also goes for feminism. among many other things.

    Yeah I think so, i think one of the ways to stop this happening is that you need to keep going back to the baseline like “what is the point of this” again and again. and you need to give people space to grow and move and think.

    I’m noticing the fundamentalism in certain types of feminism more and more and very much the atitude of “we are the elect few only what we decided is “real, true” feminism” and becomes more and more prescriptive and elitist as time goes by. And there is an absoloute refusal to dialoge with anyone else who is seen to be not feminist in the exact same way, (re this

  5. Philomela Says:

    that link should be

    this

  6. purtek Says:

    Wants that book…on the list along with “The Myth of Certainty”.

    I immediately get my warning lights flashing at anyone who says something along the lines of there being no way to be a fundamentalist atheist (or non-religious fundamentalist of any sort). I can’t link or attribute this in any way, because I seriously can’t remember where I read it, but I just came across someone who said “If your movement doesn’t have at least one person in it whose opinions drive you up the wall, it’s not big enough”. And in those conversations, we need to go back to the baseline, and be willing to both ask “Okay, so why are we here again? And how can we channel these disparate views simultaneously onto that very agreed-upon first purpose?”

    Rather than, you know, telling people what to think.

    And damn my inability to close tags.

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  8. Rachel Manners Says:

    Thanks for this post, its really beautiful, from my perspective, I see so many christians that are increasingly rejecting false images of Jesus, and journeying to see the real God, and its giving me a lot of hope.

  9. Hugo Says:

    Great post, and thanks in particular for building on Mary Magdala’s words. I’ve written on this many times myself from a feminist Christian perspective.

    Here: http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/03/10/the-obligatory-yes-virginia-you-can-be-a-feminist-and-a-christian-without-compromising-the-core-tenets-of-either-post/

    and here: http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/08/29/faith-and-feminism-another-post-on-reconciling-the-two/

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